8 Player Vanilla

[[Team] Kilemal]

The bot ratio is a relevent discussion point, however I don't think it's something the average player needs to concern themself with. The fact that our ratio gets changed at all makes our games 100% better than anyone elses because all the other popular co-op servers I know of just set the ratio on 80 or 85 percent and leave it there all the time, regardless of how many players are in the game.


A couple points I probably hadn't considered with the smaller games:

1. They will require more attention than the one larger game. This could be the killer of the smaller games.
2. Experienced players will have a greater impact on the difficulty of the game simply because it is half the size of what we are used to.

But - these are things that can be worked out I believe. I actually enjoyed spending a few hours in the vanilla game this past weekend. That hasn't happened in a long time . . . . .

[[Team] Kilemal]

I stand corrected . . . now I've seen it. 20 vs 8 and the US team won a very well deserved victory . . . . VERY well deserved !

I blacked out the names because who the players were doesn't really matter - except for that guy with 8 teamkills - I need to have a chat with him. You can see by their ranks however they are not a bunch of noobs but moderately experienced players, and this round was a fight to the finish. That's what I'm talking about here ! I've never been one to appreciate an easy win and those of you who stick around here I know don't either. This was the best round I've seen played in the vanilla game in months - I wish I was in there instead of watching.

If that was the old 16 player game at 32 vs 14 - the final score would have been 450 to 0 - or 475 to 0. It always was - if anyone doubts that I have months and months of logs to back that up.

Again - I think the smaller games will require more attention on the part of the top level admins but if we can pull that part off this will be a great game again.

[Teeeman2]

i have been playing these games quite a bit recently and noticed 1 major bad thing: it is always full of noobs who take up the space useful players could and we end up losing with 8 humans. i played 2 rounds in a row where this happened. just my opinion (and a few others) that the 16 player was better. there was just room for noobs AND useful players.

[Super-Medic-Ace]

I used to be one of those newbs ;-)
Took me some getting used to (1 week of playing 30+ hours) before I would stop getting owned by the bots and started utilizing teamwork. Maybe it will just take some time for these other newcomers to realize the same thing. Chances are, if they come back, they will at least be improving. :-) I hope you have better luck next time Teeman. You're unstoppable in that Battlehawk!

[Teeeman2]

thanks. though mostly what im complaining about is these who get in dont know what to do then gripe when they die AND hog vehicles to do useless things. i.e: f1iref7ghter (think i spelled it right) kept hogging the chopper in dalian plant even though we only had reactors and flew around randomly and complained nonstop. THAT is my definition of a noob. not someone who just is new and TRYING to learn.

[=Vu=PatchAdams]

Yes, there are a few players who frequent mainly the Vanilla servers who may or may not be noobs in the sense of inexperience. But mostly they don't command (unless they foolishly think it's a way to double combat points), join or lead squads, heal/revive, get on vent, spot hostiles, or show any signs of learning to share vehicles, defend flags, etc. They are the kind who will punish you for a tk for your AT mine that also took out a full enemy Vodnik that was about to cap the last friendly flag. Some are probably just not that good, but others are interested only in getting lots of kills, not in teamwork or winning. If you get 3 or 4 like this on an 8 player server (which is actually 7 for many people because of the reserved slot) it is a lot worse than 4 or even 6-7 like this on a 16 player server.

[akman1955]

How come i can't see any of these games all of a sudden on bf-2 site?? only get one coop game with same settings? john

[Bloo Iggy]

Here is my 2 pence if anyone cares...

If we have a shorted crew team versing a high ratio of bots, my opinion is just to boost the tik counter up 300 or so. In that prospect I feel that the 300 or so extra tickets takes place of the 8 other people that would be playing in the 16 player game. And on a plus note it gives other players extra "lives" to play. By extending the "life" of the player it would not really matter the difficulty of the bots.

I believe normally we play on a 300-300 sometimes up to 700-700 (Iwo) If given an additional 300 tiks would extend the game giving us a fairer chance of winning. Please take into account of the people coming and going mid game, sometimes causing the tik ratio to sway a couple hundreds of points.

So. My point is difficulty and bot ratio is not really the key. An 8 player game can easily be won if you have "extended lives".
Anyone catch my drift?