8 Player Vanilla

[[Team] Kilemal]

I've actually put in a few hours in the 8 player games and I must say - I think it is a major improvement over the 16 player game. Also - and I'm not really sure why - but it also seems considerably more difficult than the 16 player game was. I have yet to see a round completed and won with all the bots on the opposing team. The highest I've ever had the ratio is 90% (or 18 bots on team 1 and 2 on team 2). At that setting with 7 players in the game was a tough win. I like that - the best win is a tough win. The rounds also seem to take a lot longer to complete so I'm thinking about lowering the tickets slightly. Most rounds I've seen - as long as the bot ratio isn't set too low - take close to an hour to complete.

As far as I'm concerned, the 16 player game is history. If enough people think it's worthwhile, we can try a 10 player game and see how that works out, but other than the fact that it's a lot more work running 2 eight player games than it was 1 sixteen player game, I think it's worth it.

[1-8th_Fury]

Perhaps the difference is in stealing the enemies equipment?

[[Team] Traz]

I have not had that experience Kil. Some maps are easier than others and in all are not as difficult as the 16 person maps were with few players. The ones that seem to have some difficulty to then are ones with a lot of armor but I think more to the point the individuals get into the game after the bots have taken off with everything and the enemy bots are rolling in and you find yourself fighting to save the only flag you have. Are you modifying the maps for yourself and making it more difficult than at other times?

[[Team] Kilemal]

Originally Posted by [Team] Jenifearia

I'm getting kind of board in the game because there isn't enough to do.

This coming from one of the three people who has the ability to change the difficulty of the game I find a little disturbing. The only real difference in the difficulty of the games is where the bot ratio is set. You playing by yourself with the ratio on 75% may very well be too easy, while me playing with six noobs and the ratio on 90% was in fact fairly difficult. If the game is too easy make it harder.

Last night I checked the vanilla games frequently and both were fairly full all night - 6 or 7 players most of the time - with the bot ratio on 85%. Pretty quickly I noticed one of the games was completely empty so I logged onto the CC and saw that you had bumped the ratio up to 100% and cleared out the game in a matter of 10 minutes because it was just too hard for them. It has a lot to do with the players in the game and I would rather see the game too hard than too easy, and I understand that the ratios are different with 20 bots than they were with 32.

It's going to be more work as I said, but I'll get some more people involved as full admins on those two games and we'll get it under control.

[[Team] Kilemal]

You two: Traz and Jen that is, have well over 2000 hours played here, you're two of the highest scoring, and highest ranking players ever to play here. I think when either of you are in the game then definitely the ratio needs to be considerably higher than if even 3 or 4 noobs are playing in your place. Stating that the game is too easy when it's set well below its maximum difficulty is just not really a relative arguement.

I still have yet to see a round completed and won with the bot ratio on 100% and 8 players in the game. Everytime the bot ratio has been set to 100% everyone leaves the game. The only reason yet that I've seen the game empty out in one round has been because it's too hard for the players to win so they get discouraged and leave.

[Super-Medic-Ace]

I could go for some bigger challenges, but perhaps these adjustments could be made only if there are multiple humans in that specific server. As was pointed out before, winning a round against bots with the AI at 100% (and no bots on your side) is very difficult without careful coordination and experienced BF2 players who play as a team.

[[Team] Traz]

Sounds like moving it to 100% is too much for any of us. Maybe around 85-90% as a standard for the maps? I have no idea at this point what the games are set too when I play but we are hoping to change this. I'm just stating my experiences as they have happened.

[sniper_squirrelx]

can you bump up the number of bots??

just a thought